Yeah. Historic communism has the same problem as capitalism. People in unchecked power at the top. Doesn’t matter what ideology we follow if we refuse to fix root problems.
It’s also a problem that people love to gather around either worshipping or hating a certain individual, party or political direction. I wish people would focus more on the politics beneath, facts, statistics and causality
I don’t think that’s an accurate assessment of Socialism as it exists in the real world, or Capitalism as it exists in the real world. Further, I think the idea that Communists don’t focus on the politics beneath, alongside facts, statistics, and causality to be extremely far outside the norm. If anything, ask any Communist for a source, and they likely keep a laundry list of books and links for you to check out, a flood of information. That has been more true in my experience, and is part of what led me to Communism.
To be clear, I favor communism as an idea. It’s just the implementations of the idea historically have been flawed. I don’t know anything about communistic subgroups. Take China for example; changing historic events by pushing an alternative “truth” is not focusing on facts. A list of books is a good indicator, but the contents of the books are also relevant
If you could elaborate on what you designate as “flawed,” that would be more useful. However, all systems, inevitably, run into struggles, both internal and external. Evaluating how these struggles are solved in different ecomomic systems is more important than the idealistic and fruitless quest for a “pure” and “sinless” system; no such system exists and to pursue it is to pursue unicorns and fairies.
As for China specifically, as you brought it up, what do you mean by “changing historic events to push an alternative truth?” What exactly is the PRC guilty of obscuring or changing? If I were to venture a guess, you may be referring to discrepancies between Western reporting and reports within China, but without specifics all I can say is that it is indeed true that those discrepancies exist, but that doesn’t mean Western accounts are correct and Chinese are not.
By flawed I mean that there is a hierarchy where power consolidates at the top between a small number of humans. The reason why I call this a flaw is based on three premises:
My statement above about hierarchy of power consolidation
Power corrupts
Humans are inherently self serving. We protect ourselves and our own
As for China; take Hong Kong and or Tiananmen Square. Or something more straight forward; their conflict with Taiwan. They are pushing a narrative that Taiwan belongs to them, even though Taiwan clearly does not belong to them, which then reduces the statement to propaganda and an attempt to reframe what is true
Hong Kong was a British buffer state that deserved to be crushed and Tiananmen Square was where student protestors were given weapons and materials to attack Chinese officials/police officers. Even your average communist can tell you that when you attack police/etc you should EXPECT a response despite the remarkable restraint they showed. Much more than American police at the very least.
Instead of shitting your whole pants and crying about propaganda, how about you apply some actual critical thinking and tell me why X is propaganda and how so instead of knee-jerk deflecting into “DUH TANKIE COMMIE IZ BAD”
Example, why is Taiwan not there’s when it was created by a fascist government in exile that was justifiably exterminated by the communists after collaborating with the Japanese?
Anger is the natural emotion one feels when they become aware of the world and the damage the west has done. Where there is desperation, there is a demand for change and the imperialist west has engineered such desperation for the world over millions in exchange for cheap goods.
I don’t need your sympathy. “I pray that you will grow intellectually, so that you can understand the problems of the world and where you fit into, in that world picture. I pray that all the fear that has ever been in your heart will be taken out” ~ El-Hajj Malik El-Shabazz
Yeah. Historic communism has the same problem as capitalism. People in unchecked power at the top. Doesn’t matter what ideology we follow if we refuse to fix root problems.
It’s also a problem that people love to gather around either worshipping or hating a certain individual, party or political direction. I wish people would focus more on the politics beneath, facts, statistics and causality
I don’t think that’s an accurate assessment of Socialism as it exists in the real world, or Capitalism as it exists in the real world. Further, I think the idea that Communists don’t focus on the politics beneath, alongside facts, statistics, and causality to be extremely far outside the norm. If anything, ask any Communist for a source, and they likely keep a laundry list of books and links for you to check out, a flood of information. That has been more true in my experience, and is part of what led me to Communism.
To be clear, I favor communism as an idea. It’s just the implementations of the idea historically have been flawed. I don’t know anything about communistic subgroups. Take China for example; changing historic events by pushing an alternative “truth” is not focusing on facts. A list of books is a good indicator, but the contents of the books are also relevant
If you could elaborate on what you designate as “flawed,” that would be more useful. However, all systems, inevitably, run into struggles, both internal and external. Evaluating how these struggles are solved in different ecomomic systems is more important than the idealistic and fruitless quest for a “pure” and “sinless” system; no such system exists and to pursue it is to pursue unicorns and fairies.
As for China specifically, as you brought it up, what do you mean by “changing historic events to push an alternative truth?” What exactly is the PRC guilty of obscuring or changing? If I were to venture a guess, you may be referring to discrepancies between Western reporting and reports within China, but without specifics all I can say is that it is indeed true that those discrepancies exist, but that doesn’t mean Western accounts are correct and Chinese are not.
By flawed I mean that there is a hierarchy where power consolidates at the top between a small number of humans. The reason why I call this a flaw is based on three premises:
As for China; take Hong Kong and or Tiananmen Square. Or something more straight forward; their conflict with Taiwan. They are pushing a narrative that Taiwan belongs to them, even though Taiwan clearly does not belong to them, which then reduces the statement to propaganda and an attempt to reframe what is true
Hong Kong was a British buffer state that deserved to be crushed and Tiananmen Square was where student protestors were given weapons and materials to attack Chinese officials/police officers. Even your average communist can tell you that when you attack police/etc you should EXPECT a response despite the remarkable restraint they showed. Much more than American police at the very least.
Instead of shitting your whole pants and crying about propaganda, how about you apply some actual critical thinking and tell me why X is propaganda and how so instead of knee-jerk deflecting into “DUH TANKIE COMMIE IZ BAD”
Example, why is Taiwan not there’s when it was created by a fascist government in exile that was justifiably exterminated by the communists after collaborating with the Japanese?
So much anger, so desperate for control. You have my sympathy
Anger is the natural emotion one feels when they become aware of the world and the damage the west has done. Where there is desperation, there is a demand for change and the imperialist west has engineered such desperation for the world over millions in exchange for cheap goods.
I don’t need your sympathy. “I pray that you will grow intellectually, so that you can understand the problems of the world and where you fit into, in that world picture. I pray that all the fear that has ever been in your heart will be taken out” ~ El-Hajj Malik El-Shabazz
You lived in ignorance, but now you see? I’m sorry to say the problems of the world aren’t limited to west versus east