• TheAlbatross@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    15 hours ago

    I think Trump has enough motivation on his own to not want it to be further confirmed he’s a child rapist, not sure why he needs to be held at gunpoint for this, there’s not much need for conspiracy.

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        But why? There’s no need for that for everything to make sense. Epstein was a wealthy financier who also was a sex trafficker of young people to the rich and famous. We know he worked with Trump and Trump has been confirmed to have been on the island where he pimped out the young people he trafficked.

        He’s a Mossad agent… why? Simply because he’s Jewish? Bibi is pulling the strings… why? Idk man this feels like some “Jewish conspiracy” bullshit with a thin veneer of “It’s Bibi so it’s anti-Zionist and that makes it fine”.

        This is a weird post and you should feel weird.

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            I’m not sure the conspiracy minded ramblings of Tucker Carlson are something one has to bear in mind at any point in their lives.

            Like, yeah, fuck Epstein, Trump, Bibi, and Zionism, but c’mon…

            Let’s pretend Epstein is confirmed as a Mossad asset, for a moment. It still isn’t necessary for Bibi to be pulling the strings here for Trump to have plenty of reasons to want to shut down inquiry into Epstein’s work. It’s just conspiracy for conspiracy’s sake.

            Furthermore, I’m not sure what the point of this post is, other than promoting this conspiracy you’ve come up with. It’s not funny and it just plays into antisemitic tropes but applies them to Zionists

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              They don’t resonate with us, nor do we pay them attention. The few instances where we agree are merely coincidental and usually for different reasons.

              Consortium News, 2020: Epstein Case: Documentaries Won’t Touch Tales of Intel Ties

              Absent from both are [Ghislaine] Maxwell’s reported links to Israeli intelligence through her father, Robert Maxwell, former owner of The New York Daily News and The Mirror newspaper in London.

              In an interview with Consortium News, former Israeli intelligence officer Ari Ben-Menashe said Epstein did not work with Mossad. “Military intelligence was who he was working with,” said Ben-Menashe. “Big difference,” he said. “He never worked with Mossad, and Robert Maxwell never did, either. It was military intelligence.”

              Ben-Menashe claimed Robert Maxwell was Epstein’s “tie over. Robert Maxwell was the conduit [in the Iran-Contra scandal]. The financial conduit.”

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                  I know.

                  Carlson is hard to avoid. You don’t necessarily have to seek out his opinion to be aware of it. And I wouldn’t know how “left” OP is.

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    The tail doesn’t wag the dog. AIPAC and Israel have some level of counterinfluence over the US, but the US Empire is the hegemon, and Israel its vassel. Trying to paint the US as under the control of Israel is mostly an actually antisemetic dogwhistle, and plays into the idea that a Jewish cabal is controlling the world’s Empire.

    I know you probably aren’t intending it that way, but it’s important to correctly criticize the genocidal entity “Israel.” Mis-analyzing the dynamics at play weakens our chances of rectifying them.

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      Both the meme and you are kinda wrong. Today, with Trump, Netanyahu does indeed hold influence on Trump, and has for some time. He likely has held influence on some democrats as well. This is because Israel and Russia both likely received blackmail material from Epstein, and are pressuring Trump with that blackmail today. This was always the stick to keep Trump in line. The meme is wrong because Netanyahu is happy with Trump, while Putin isn’t. I believe it is much more likely that Putin is pushing the Epstein narrative now to replace a disobedient Trump with Vance, as Putin and Heritage can do a lot sans Trump. You will notice that the conservatives calling for the list now are generally pro Heritage Foundation, a Putin ally. President Vance is the plan now.

      I don’t hate Jews or Israel. I hate the far right party and Netanyahu.

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      John Mearsheimer also argues this and he is no antisemite. It’s possible that Israel is a proxy of the US Empire while it’s domestic lobby group has inordinate influence on US politics. Both things can be true.

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      Beautifully put. It is not that the US/EU are at the mercy of Israel, or are concerned to cut ties; they know fully well what they are doing. Israel is a colony for them to assert their power in the region. If the US/EU didn’t exist, neither would Israel. If Israel didn’t exist, they would just create another Israel in the region for their interest.

      Its not just Israel, either. Most Arab states are puppets for them too, basically showing face to their populations anti-zionism, Arab unity and all that bullshit, but then turning around and dealing with Israel and “fighting arab extremism”. After sykes-picot/invading nations/influencing revolutions/pouring endless money to far right insurgents, we are effectively neutered but our resources are open wide.

      Especially the monarchies, while the royals live in unimaginable wealth the common people don’t live lavishly, and poverty is a rampant problem. After sykes picot the British/US supported/installed these royal families, and crushed revolutions (like the dhofar rebellion/bahraini uprising etc). They are just shells for the imperialists to suck the resources out of the people.

      Only a few politicians ever stood against this, mainly Nasser and Mossadegh come to mind. Mossadegh dared nationalize Iran’s oil and got overthrown, then got a brutal pro-west monarchy installed. Nasser nationalized the Suez canal and got invaded by the UK/France/Israel.

      Israel is just a colony for them to directly meddle in the region and keep the people in their place. This works exceptionally well, sadly. They prioritize profits over the people, leaving millions here to suffer.

      I honestly believe the middle east will only ever be free once these bullshit Sykes-Picot borders are abolished, Israel no longer existing (not death to the population, to the apartheid state) and ending imperialist meddling in the region. That is a distant dream though 🥲

      Whooh that was a lot to write lol, I was bored and saw this so thought might as well share this wall of text/infodump xd. Tl;dr: Israel is a western colony and the middle east is not truly independent.

      If you’re interested to start learning about this, I highly recommend starting at Sykes-Picot/WW1, specifically the battles against the Ottomans, and the Arab revolt, those events caused the creation of the modern middle east as we know it.

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      AIPAC isn’t the real story. Who owns all the US’s shares of the Bank of International Settlements, aka the central bank for central banks? It’s not public but based on who was powerful bankers in the 1940s we can probably make some good guesses. US interest literally directly goes into the hands of private shareholders, sounds like a vassal state to me. Also Ghislaine Maxwell’s father’s is connected to Mossad. AIPAC is plausible deniability and the carrot, Israel also has the stick in the form of sexual blackmail.