The tail doesn’t wag the dog. AIPAC and Israel have some level of counterinfluence over the US, but the US Empire is the hegemon, and Israel its vassel. Trying to paint the US as under the control of Israel is mostly an actually antisemetic dogwhistle, and plays into the idea that a Jewish cabal is controlling the world’s Empire.
I know you probably aren’t intending it that way, but it’s important to correctly criticize the genocidal entity “Israel.” Mis-analyzing the dynamics at play weakens our chances of rectifying them.
Both the meme and you are kinda wrong. Today, with Trump, Netanyahu does indeed hold influence on Trump, and has for some time. He likely has held influence on some democrats as well. This is because Israel and Russia both likely received blackmail material from Epstein, and are pressuring Trump with that blackmail today. This was always the stick to keep Trump in line. The meme is wrong because Netanyahu is happy with Trump, while Putin isn’t. I believe it is much more likely that Putin is pushing the Epstein narrative now to replace a disobedient Trump with Vance, as Putin and Heritage can do a lot sans Trump. You will notice that the conservatives calling for the list now are generally pro Heritage Foundation, a Putin ally. President Vance is the plan now.
I don’t hate Jews or Israel. I hate the far right party and Netanyahu.
John Mearsheimer also argues this and he is no antisemite. It’s possible that Israel is a proxy of the US Empire while it’s domestic lobby group has inordinate influence on US politics. Both things can be true.
Yep, both are true, but the balance of power is still heavily in the US’s favor. Israel has counter-influence, of course, but at the end of the day it’s the US that holds all of the cards.
Beautifully put. It is not that the US/EU are at the mercy of Israel, or are concerned to cut ties; they know fully well what they are doing. Israel is a colony for them to assert their power in the region. If the US/EU didn’t exist, neither would Israel. If Israel didn’t exist, they would just create another Israel in the region for their interest.
Its not just Israel, either. Most Arab states are puppets for them too, basically showing face to their populations anti-zionism, Arab unity and all that bullshit, but then turning around and dealing with Israel and “fighting arab extremism”. After sykes-picot/invading nations/influencing revolutions/pouring endless money to far right insurgents, we are effectively neutered but our resources are open wide.
Especially the monarchies, while the royals live in unimaginable wealth the common people don’t live lavishly, and poverty is a rampant problem. After sykes picot the British/US supported/installed these royal families, and crushed revolutions (like the dhofar rebellion/bahraini uprising etc). They are just shells for the imperialists to suck the resources out of the people.
Only a few politicians ever stood against this, mainly Nasser and Mossadegh come to mind. Mossadegh dared nationalize Iran’s oil and got overthrown, then got a brutal pro-west monarchy installed. Nasser nationalized the Suez canal and got invaded by the UK/France/Israel.
Israel is just a colony for them to directly meddle in the region and keep the people in their place. This works exceptionally well, sadly. They prioritize profits over the people, leaving millions here to suffer.
I honestly believe the middle east will only ever be free once these bullshit Sykes-Picot borders are abolished, Israel no longer existing (not death to the population, to the apartheid state) and ending imperialist meddling in the region. That is a distant dream though 🥲
Whooh that was a lot to write lol, I was bored and saw this so thought might as well share this wall of text/infodump xd. Tl;dr: Israel is a western colony and the middle east is not truly independent.
If you’re interested to start learning about this, I highly recommend starting at Sykes-Picot/WW1, specifically the battles against the Ottomans, and the Arab revolt, those events caused the creation of the modern middle east as we know it.
No problem, sadly I don’t have any good recommendations, but a book that has lots of praise is about the Sykes Picot agreement (JIC: it was a secret treaty by the British/French defining borders/spheres of influence in a purely economic POV, which caused the insane instability/wars/shuffling around minorities and people in the next century, agreed upon behind the backs of the Arabs who fought against the Ottomans after they were promised most of the land by the Brits/French) A line in the Sand: Britain, France and the Struggle that Shaped the Middle East. I’ve heard about
A Peace to End All Peace: The Fall of the Ottoman Empire and the Creation of the Modern Middle East too. Wikipedia is also a solid source about this stuff, it would also be good to research Arab nationalists/socialists and their works, since they’ve probably addressed most of this stuff too.
Honestly this is such a nuanced and shitshow of a topic, it’s both funny and depressing at the same time lol. Good luck with your search! And have a good week
The tail doesn’t wag the dog. AIPAC and Israel have some level of counterinfluence over the US, but the US Empire is the hegemon, and Israel its vassel. Trying to paint the US as under the control of Israel is mostly an actually antisemetic dogwhistle, and plays into the idea that a Jewish cabal is controlling the world’s Empire.
I know you probably aren’t intending it that way, but it’s important to correctly criticize the genocidal entity “Israel.” Mis-analyzing the dynamics at play weakens our chances of rectifying them.
Both the meme and you are kinda wrong. Today, with Trump, Netanyahu does indeed hold influence on Trump, and has for some time. He likely has held influence on some democrats as well. This is because Israel and Russia both likely received blackmail material from Epstein, and are pressuring Trump with that blackmail today. This was always the stick to keep Trump in line. The meme is wrong because Netanyahu is happy with Trump, while Putin isn’t. I believe it is much more likely that Putin is pushing the Epstein narrative now to replace a disobedient Trump with Vance, as Putin and Heritage can do a lot sans Trump. You will notice that the conservatives calling for the list now are generally pro Heritage Foundation, a Putin ally. President Vance is the plan now.
I don’t hate Jews or Israel. I hate the far right party and Netanyahu.
It’s actually you that is wrong. Your analysis is great man theory bs
John Mearsheimer also argues this and he is no antisemite. It’s possible that Israel is a proxy of the US Empire while it’s domestic lobby group has inordinate influence on US politics. Both things can be true.
Yep, both are true, but the balance of power is still heavily in the US’s favor. Israel has counter-influence, of course, but at the end of the day it’s the US that holds all of the cards.
Beautifully put. It is not that the US/EU are at the mercy of Israel, or are concerned to cut ties; they know fully well what they are doing. Israel is a colony for them to assert their power in the region. If the US/EU didn’t exist, neither would Israel. If Israel didn’t exist, they would just create another Israel in the region for their interest.
Its not just Israel, either. Most Arab states are puppets for them too, basically showing face to their populations anti-zionism, Arab unity and all that bullshit, but then turning around and dealing with Israel and “fighting arab extremism”. After sykes-picot/invading nations/influencing revolutions/pouring endless money to far right insurgents, we are effectively neutered but our resources are open wide.
Especially the monarchies, while the royals live in unimaginable wealth the common people don’t live lavishly, and poverty is a rampant problem. After sykes picot the British/US supported/installed these royal families, and crushed revolutions (like the dhofar rebellion/bahraini uprising etc). They are just shells for the imperialists to suck the resources out of the people.
Only a few politicians ever stood against this, mainly Nasser and Mossadegh come to mind. Mossadegh dared nationalize Iran’s oil and got overthrown, then got a brutal pro-west monarchy installed. Nasser nationalized the Suez canal and got invaded by the UK/France/Israel.
Israel is just a colony for them to directly meddle in the region and keep the people in their place. This works exceptionally well, sadly. They prioritize profits over the people, leaving millions here to suffer.
I honestly believe the middle east will only ever be free once these bullshit Sykes-Picot borders are abolished, Israel no longer existing (not death to the population, to the apartheid state) and ending imperialist meddling in the region. That is a distant dream though 🥲
Whooh that was a lot to write lol, I was bored and saw this so thought might as well share this wall of text/infodump xd. Tl;dr: Israel is a western colony and the middle east is not truly independent.
If you’re interested to start learning about this, I highly recommend starting at Sykes-Picot/WW1, specifically the battles against the Ottomans, and the Arab revolt, those events caused the creation of the modern middle east as we know it.
Thanks for your comment! I definitely need to read more about the Middle East, I’ll see if I can find books going over the events you talked about.
No problem, sadly I don’t have any good recommendations, but a book that has lots of praise is about the Sykes Picot agreement (JIC: it was a secret treaty by the British/French defining borders/spheres of influence in a purely economic POV, which caused the insane instability/wars/shuffling around minorities and people in the next century, agreed upon behind the backs of the Arabs who fought against the Ottomans after they were promised most of the land by the Brits/French) A line in the Sand: Britain, France and the Struggle that Shaped the Middle East. I’ve heard about A Peace to End All Peace: The Fall of the Ottoman Empire and the Creation of the Modern Middle East too. Wikipedia is also a solid source about this stuff, it would also be good to research Arab nationalists/socialists and their works, since they’ve probably addressed most of this stuff too.
Honestly this is such a nuanced and shitshow of a topic, it’s both funny and depressing at the same time lol. Good luck with your search! And have a good week
Thanks for the recs! And you too, have a great week!
Totally agree. That being said, Epstein was a Mossad op.
Well said as usual
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