Now do this meme with any country in Eastern Europe that actually has experienced communism after ww2. Bonus point if you pick one where the USSR has placed their troops to “prevent regime change instigated by foreigh agents and protect the people from a civil war”.
Slavic brothers came to aid us with their tanks. Lol.
Polls shows that 71% of Brazilian population wants 5 day work week instead of 6, Brazilian people voted for a bunch of centrist/right wing fuckers that doesn’t want to end the 6 day work week. What people wants and what people vote is not always the same for a bunch of reasons.
The poll is not wrong. Electoral results in a parliamentary system do not reflect whether people feel that the system is working better or worse than before. Even if the communist party won full seats, it still would not be able to bring back the Soviet Union.
This is just you refusing to grapple with real statistics, saying they must be faked because an entirely different set of circumstances had a different set of results. I just hope you tried to mislead people accidentally.
What of the soviet union? We were never part of the Soviet Union. We were just occupied by it’s soldiers. (Oh no, did they really do that? That was not nice.)
There is no Soviet Union to bring back for Czech people. The poll is refering to the communist regime in Czech Republic.
Turns out only ca 3% of the voters wanted the communist party to have a say in how the country should be run and didnt win any seats.
Here’s the original poll, taken by a Czech firm. Specifically, 28% said they were better off under socialism, and only 23% said they are better off now. This is simple, direct, and irrefutable.
Electoral results in a parliamentary system are complex. People don’t just vote for what they agree with, they vote for whichever party they believe has the best chance of winning and representing their interests to an okay degree. Additionally, as a capitalist state, pro-communist media is censored and minimized.
The evidence of the electoral results do not change the fact that more people said they were better off under socialism than those who said they are better off now. These are not contradictory facts, yet they claimed it as a definitive proof of the Czech poll being falsified, despite not at all being the same question or conditions.
See this is why I didn’t want to throw polls at each other. Now I made you click one link deeper into your article and suddenly the graphic in the first poll where it says 45% people say they are better off now and 39% say they are worse now turned into a statistic where 28% say they were better off in the past regime and 23% say they are better off now.
Which one is the irrefutable one you are talking about. I’m confused.
Maybe its better to stick with the election results they aren’t as easily misrepresented.
Only really naive people from countries that never experienced the “beauty” of communism can support it.
Only really naive people from countries that never experienced the “beauty” of communism can support it.
People already showed you several polls, of people who currently or previously experienced communism, which say otherwise, so why are you still posting nonsense like this?
It is not nonsense. I am merely saying that a gradual 35 years long decline in the number of people voting for communists in my country since the fall of the previous regime indicates that the claim “a majority of the people want the USSR back” is false in my country.
Also that this steady decline of 35 years which resulted in 0 seats in the parliament for the communist party is more indicative of the feelings that the poeple hold towards communism than a 14 years old poll conducted on 600 residents.
Is that too far fetched?
It is even weird to include the poll in an article about the people wanting the USSR back because (drumroll) we were never part of the USSR. We were just occupied by it.
People here seem to enjoy being able to travel again. They do not experience shortages of goods. And no one is sacking them from their jobs or preventing them from studying because they arent members of the communist party. The above mentioned phenomena were common in the last regime.
I have the benefit to compare both the communist era in my country as well as what came after the revolution. And so has my entire generation. Which is the reason why communists have 0 seats in parliament here.
Here’s the original poll, taken by a Czech firm. Specifically, 28% said they were better off under socialism, and only 23% said they are better off now. This is simple, direct, and irrefutable.
Electoral results in a parliamentary system are complex. People don’t just vote for what they agree with, they vote for whichever party they believe has the best chance of winning and representing their interests to an okay degree. Additionally, as a capitalist state, pro-communist media is censored and minimized.
The evidence of the electoral results do not change the fact that more people said they were better off under socialism than those who said they are better off now. These are not contradictory facts, yet they claimed it as a definitive proof of the Czech poll being falsified, despite not at all being the same question or conditions.
See this is why I didn’t want to throw polls at each other. Now I made you click one link deeper into your article and suddenly the graphic in the first poll where it says 45% people say they are better off now and 39% say they are worse now turned into a statistic where 28% say they were better off in the past regime and 23% say they are better off now.
Which one is the irrefutable one you are talking about. I’m confused.
Maybe its better to stick with the election results they aren’t as easily misrepresented.
Only really naive people from countries that never experienced the “beauty” of communism can support it.
what we can say is that in reality, ppl aren’t voting for the communists, even if a poll from 2011 shows that 28% of 623 Czechs said they preferred it under Communism. A very similar 23% say the exact opposite, and 17% aren’t sure. the rest don’t answer.
the poll doesn’t really show anything of substance, but you USE IT as a way to try and manipulate ppl into thinking Eastern Europe wants Communism back.
The poll absolutely shows substance, it shows that of a large sample size, more said they were better off under socialism than those that said they are better off now. Further, Czechoslovakia is one former socialist state. Across the board, results are similar or even more in favor of socialism. This makes sense, with the dissolution of socialism, 7 million people died around the world. Poverty, disparity, drug abuse, prostitution, human trafficking, and more skyrocketed, while life expectancy, literacy rates, and quality of life in general fell, for the vast majority of society while a scarce few benefited massively.
It isn’t at all disingenuous. Using results from complex parliamentary elections as a way to disprove straightforward polls that ask very simple questions is disingenuous.
In what way? You’re complaining about me being a communist, so I just responded by saying I’m indeed a communist and I don’t hide it, no matter how scary you try to make me seem. If you have issues with what I say, address them directly.
You did, you used a pejorative for communists, like “pinko,” “commie,” or “red.” My views are largely aligned with Marxism-Leninism, by far the largest subsection of Marxism by number and absolutely the most relevant historically and currently. The issues you have with me are issues you’d have with the vast majority of communists today and historically. If you’d like to explain where you believe I diverge from the international communist movement in views then that might better illustrate a point, but as of now you’ve just called me the equivalent of “dirty commie.”
The poll is not wrong. Electoral results in a parliamentary system do not reflect whether people feel that the system is working better or worse than before. Even if the communist party won full seats, it still would not be able to bring back the Soviet Union.
This is just you refusing to grapple with real statistics, saying they must be faked because an entirely different set of circumstances had a different set of results. I just hope you tried to mislead people accidentally.
Here’s the original poll, taken by a Czech firm. Specifically, 28% said they were better off under socialism, and only 23% said they are better off now. This is simple, direct, and irrefutable.
Electoral results in a parliamentary system are complex. People don’t just vote for what they agree with, they vote for whichever party they believe has the best chance of winning and representing their interests to an okay degree. Additionally, as a capitalist state, pro-communist media is censored and minimized.
The evidence of the electoral results do not change the fact that more people said they were better off under socialism than those who said they are better off now. These are not contradictory facts, yet they claimed it as a definitive proof of the Czech poll being falsified, despite not at all being the same question or conditions.
Now do this meme with any country in Eastern Europe that actually has experienced communism after ww2. Bonus point if you pick one where the USSR has placed their troops to “prevent regime change instigated by foreigh agents and protect the people from a civil war”.
Slavic brothers came to aid us with their tanks. Lol.
The majority of people that lived in the Soviet Union want it back.
Additionally, over 90% of Chinese citizens support their system.
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Polls shows that 71% of Brazilian population wants 5 day work week instead of 6, Brazilian people voted for a bunch of centrist/right wing fuckers that doesn’t want to end the 6 day work week. What people wants and what people vote is not always the same for a bunch of reasons.
The poll is not wrong. Electoral results in a parliamentary system do not reflect whether people feel that the system is working better or worse than before. Even if the communist party won full seats, it still would not be able to bring back the Soviet Union.
This is just you refusing to grapple with real statistics, saying they must be faked because an entirely different set of circumstances had a different set of results. I just hope you tried to mislead people accidentally.
What of the soviet union? We were never part of the Soviet Union. We were just occupied by it’s soldiers. (Oh no, did they really do that? That was not nice.)
There is no Soviet Union to bring back for Czech people. The poll is refering to the communist regime in Czech Republic.
Turns out only ca 3% of the voters wanted the communist party to have a say in how the country should be run and didnt win any seats.
Sad trombone noises
Here’s the original poll, taken by a Czech firm. Specifically, 28% said they were better off under socialism, and only 23% said they are better off now. This is simple, direct, and irrefutable.
Electoral results in a parliamentary system are complex. People don’t just vote for what they agree with, they vote for whichever party they believe has the best chance of winning and representing their interests to an okay degree. Additionally, as a capitalist state, pro-communist media is censored and minimized.
The evidence of the electoral results do not change the fact that more people said they were better off under socialism than those who said they are better off now. These are not contradictory facts, yet they claimed it as a definitive proof of the Czech poll being falsified, despite not at all being the same question or conditions.
See this is why I didn’t want to throw polls at each other. Now I made you click one link deeper into your article and suddenly the graphic in the first poll where it says 45% people say they are better off now and 39% say they are worse now turned into a statistic where 28% say they were better off in the past regime and 23% say they are better off now.
Which one is the irrefutable one you are talking about. I’m confused.
Maybe its better to stick with the election results they aren’t as easily misrepresented.
Only really naive people from countries that never experienced the “beauty” of communism can support it.
No, again, the original comment:
People already showed you several polls, of people who currently or previously experienced communism, which say otherwise, so why are you still posting nonsense like this?
It is not nonsense. I am merely saying that a gradual 35 years long decline in the number of people voting for communists in my country since the fall of the previous regime indicates that the claim “a majority of the people want the USSR back” is false in my country.
Also that this steady decline of 35 years which resulted in 0 seats in the parliament for the communist party is more indicative of the feelings that the poeple hold towards communism than a 14 years old poll conducted on 600 residents.
Is that too far fetched?
It is even weird to include the poll in an article about the people wanting the USSR back because (drumroll) we were never part of the USSR. We were just occupied by it.
(And noone wants foreign occupying soldiers back.)
People here seem to enjoy being able to travel again. They do not experience shortages of goods. And no one is sacking them from their jobs or preventing them from studying because they arent members of the communist party. The above mentioned phenomena were common in the last regime.
I have the benefit to compare both the communist era in my country as well as what came after the revolution. And so has my entire generation. Which is the reason why communists have 0 seats in parliament here.
no, that’s him showing you reality and you rejecting it.
Here’s the original poll, taken by a Czech firm. Specifically, 28% said they were better off under socialism, and only 23% said they are better off now. This is simple, direct, and irrefutable.
Electoral results in a parliamentary system are complex. People don’t just vote for what they agree with, they vote for whichever party they believe has the best chance of winning and representing their interests to an okay degree. Additionally, as a capitalist state, pro-communist media is censored and minimized.
The evidence of the electoral results do not change the fact that more people said they were better off under socialism than those who said they are better off now. These are not contradictory facts, yet they claimed it as a definitive proof of the Czech poll being falsified, despite not at all being the same question or conditions.
See this is why I didn’t want to throw polls at each other. Now I made you click one link deeper into your article and suddenly the graphic in the first poll where it says 45% people say they are better off now and 39% say they are worse now turned into a statistic where 28% say they were better off in the past regime and 23% say they are better off now.
Which one is the irrefutable one you are talking about. I’m confused.
Maybe its better to stick with the election results they aren’t as easily misrepresented.
Only really naive people from countries that never experienced the “beauty” of communism can support it.
No, again, the original comment:
what we can say is that in reality, ppl aren’t voting for the communists, even if a poll from 2011 shows that 28% of 623 Czechs said they preferred it under Communism. A very similar 23% say the exact opposite, and 17% aren’t sure. the rest don’t answer.
the poll doesn’t really show anything of substance, but you USE IT as a way to try and manipulate ppl into thinking Eastern Europe wants Communism back.
it’s disingenuous.
The poll absolutely shows substance, it shows that of a large sample size, more said they were better off under socialism than those that said they are better off now. Further, Czechoslovakia is one former socialist state. Across the board, results are similar or even more in favor of socialism. This makes sense, with the dissolution of socialism, 7 million people died around the world. Poverty, disparity, drug abuse, prostitution, human trafficking, and more skyrocketed, while life expectancy, literacy rates, and quality of life in general fell, for the vast majority of society while a scarce few benefited massively.
It isn’t at all disingenuous. Using results from complex parliamentary elections as a way to disprove straightforward polls that ask very simple questions is disingenuous.
Sure, Jan.
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I’m indeed a known Marxist-Leninist, I’m a spooky scary socialist that encourages people to read Marx. I support socialism, and advocate for it.
this is the kind of reply where you undercut your own work. be better.
In what way? You’re complaining about me being a communist, so I just responded by saying I’m indeed a communist and I don’t hide it, no matter how scary you try to make me seem. If you have issues with what I say, address them directly.
i didn’t complain about you being a communist.
You did, you used a pejorative for communists, like “pinko,” “commie,” or “red.” My views are largely aligned with Marxism-Leninism, by far the largest subsection of Marxism by number and absolutely the most relevant historically and currently. The issues you have with me are issues you’d have with the vast majority of communists today and historically. If you’d like to explain where you believe I diverge from the international communist movement in views then that might better illustrate a point, but as of now you’ve just called me the equivalent of “dirty commie.”
I cant speak for the chinese, but the data presented in the first article for czech republic is wrong.
I do not mean to discredit any poll in that article as i am sure we could be throwing polls at each other all day and it would be pointless.
Instead lets have a look at our parliament who the people actually voted for:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliament_of_the_Czech_Republic
Communists dint make it into the government. But oh look. There arent even any communist MPs in the opposition.
How is this possible that there are no communist MPs when there are 200 seats in the parliament? Odd. It must be because there isnt a communist party.
Weird. There is one.
It just didnt score a single fucking seat. How is that possible when a majority of the people want the regime back?
Seems like “a majority of the people want it back” claim is simply incorrect. Despite what your little article says.
I just hope you tried to mislead people accidentally.
The poll is not wrong. Electoral results in a parliamentary system do not reflect whether people feel that the system is working better or worse than before. Even if the communist party won full seats, it still would not be able to bring back the Soviet Union.
This is just you refusing to grapple with real statistics, saying they must be faked because an entirely different set of circumstances had a different set of results. I just hope you tried to mislead people accidentally.
Here’s the original poll, taken by a Czech firm. Specifically, 28% said they were better off under socialism, and only 23% said they are better off now. This is simple, direct, and irrefutable.
Electoral results in a parliamentary system are complex. People don’t just vote for what they agree with, they vote for whichever party they believe has the best chance of winning and representing their interests to an okay degree. Additionally, as a capitalist state, pro-communist media is censored and minimized.
The evidence of the electoral results do not change the fact that more people said they were better off under socialism than those who said they are better off now. These are not contradictory facts, yet they claimed it as a definitive proof of the Czech poll being falsified, despite not at all being the same question or conditions.
Meanwhile in the real world
Former Soviet Countries See More Harm From Breakup https://news.gallup.com/poll/166538/former-soviet-countries-harm-breakup.aspx
I don’t know how you can say this when eastern europe is overall in a terrible shape nowadays.